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		<title>Comment on Bitcoin as Money Depends on FinCEN by Martin Brock</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/16/bitcoin-as-money-depends-on-fincen/#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 14:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The big news last week was not FinCEN&#039;s seizure of Dwolla&#039;s assets. The big news was the reaction of the Bitcoin market. It shrugged.

The Bitcoin community needs to get its act together and step up to the plate? Why? Bitcoiners can persuade the world&#039;s most powerful monopoly of force to tolerate a challenge to the most valuable monopoly it enforces? I don&#039;t think so. States will crush Bitcoin, or co-opt it, if they can. The only question is: can states crush Bitcoin?

I don&#039;t expect Bitcoin 1.0 to be the last word in crypto-currencies for reasons I&#039;ve discussed here, but satisfying state regulators is no solution to its problems. If stateless money ever predominates anywhere, it will predominate only because states could not prevent it. Stateless money will always be black market money. Stateless money will predominate over state money in the market generally when the market generally is black.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big news last week was not FinCEN's seizure of Dwolla's assets. The big news was the reaction of the Bitcoin market. It shrugged.</p>
<p>The Bitcoin community needs to get its act together and step up to the plate? Why? Bitcoiners can persuade the world's most powerful monopoly of force to tolerate a challenge to the most valuable monopoly it enforces? I don't think so. States will crush Bitcoin, or co-opt it, if they can. The only question is: can states crush Bitcoin?</p>
<p>I don't expect Bitcoin 1.0 to be the last word in crypto-currencies for reasons I've discussed here, but satisfying state regulators is no solution to its problems. If stateless money ever predominates anywhere, it will predominate only because states could not prevent it. Stateless money will always be black market money. Stateless money will predominate over state money in the market generally when the market generally is black.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynes and money during wartime by MichaelM</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/13/keynes-and-money-during-wartime/#comment-3108</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better to say: Inflation is a stochastic form of taxation on wealth. It doesn&#039;t specifically target any one person or group, it hits everyone to varying to degrees at random. In a system of public finance where dollars were simply printed in order to directly pay for the goods and services the state needs in wartime, the only real &#039;targeted&#039; beneficiaries would be the providers of those goods and services. Past that it would wash out, with benefits not accruing to anyone in particular, and thus everyone being &#039;taxed&#039; to more or less similar degrees.

I don&#039;t see the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to say: Inflation is a stochastic form of taxation on wealth. It doesn't specifically target any one person or group, it hits everyone to varying to degrees at random. In a system of public finance where dollars were simply printed in order to directly pay for the goods and services the state needs in wartime, the only real 'targeted' beneficiaries would be the providers of those goods and services. Past that it would wash out, with benefits not accruing to anyone in particular, and thus everyone being 'taxed' to more or less similar degrees.</p>
<p>I don't see the problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bitcoin as Money Depends on FinCEN by matonis</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/16/bitcoin-as-money-depends-on-fincen/#comment-3107</link>
		<dc:creator>matonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 21:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad, I&#039;m curious as to what you would term a realistic success after removing &quot;head in the ground.&quot;  What specific problems does the so-called &quot;bitcoin community&quot; have within its power to simply make go away by engaging? Seriously, how do you interpret &quot;stepping up to the plate?&quot; These are your phrases. If you mean compromise, what are you willing to concede on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I'm curious as to what you would term a realistic success after removing "head in the ground."  What specific problems does the so-called "bitcoin community" have within its power to simply make go away by engaging? Seriously, how do you interpret "stepping up to the plate?" These are your phrases. If you mean compromise, what are you willing to concede on?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bitcoin as Money Depends on FinCEN by Remarkl</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/16/bitcoin-as-money-depends-on-fincen/#comment-3106</link>
		<dc:creator>Remarkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever one may think about FinCEN as big brother, Bitcoin IS a money transmission device.  It&#039;s like a translating shredder fax machine. I have rubles; I put them in a black box; you get pesos.  

It used to be I would have to buy dollars to send you, and you would have to sell those dollars to get pesos.  We would not be using the dollars as a medium of EXCHANGE, as the dollars will not facilitate your purchase of anything.  Rather we are using the dollars as a yardstick (and the ForEx system as a money transmitter).  Money launderers use bitcoin as a yardstick and MTGOX and the rest as money transmitters.  

Bitcoin get their value from their interchangeability.  If we use different brokers, then the price at my broker and the price at your broker have to be the same.  Therefore, to handle a transaction of a certain size (or a certain volume of non-instantaneous transactions) a broker must have a certain amount of bitcoin.  Otherwise, all of the big deals will have to go to the biggest holder.  The competition to have enough bitcoin to be in the brokerage business creates the demand for Bitcoin.  They are taxi medallions for money, franchises, nothing more.  And the brokers who buy them to facilitate transactions are money transmitters.

Should the recipient of Bitcoin &quot;deposit&quot; them in their e-wallets, and the operator of the e-wallet is allowed to use those deposits on a fractional reserve basis to issue Bitcoin certificates, Bitcoin may become money, at which time all sorts of banking regulations would come into play.  But until then, Bitcoin are licenses to transmit money, and the agencies that trade in them are as pure an example of money transmitters as any regulator could hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever one may think about FinCEN as big brother, Bitcoin IS a money transmission device.  It's like a translating shredder fax machine. I have rubles; I put them in a black box; you get pesos.  </p>
<p>It used to be I would have to buy dollars to send you, and you would have to sell those dollars to get pesos.  We would not be using the dollars as a medium of EXCHANGE, as the dollars will not facilitate your purchase of anything.  Rather we are using the dollars as a yardstick (and the ForEx system as a money transmitter).  Money launderers use bitcoin as a yardstick and MTGOX and the rest as money transmitters.  </p>
<p>Bitcoin get their value from their interchangeability.  If we use different brokers, then the price at my broker and the price at your broker have to be the same.  Therefore, to handle a transaction of a certain size (or a certain volume of non-instantaneous transactions) a broker must have a certain amount of bitcoin.  Otherwise, all of the big deals will have to go to the biggest holder.  The competition to have enough bitcoin to be in the brokerage business creates the demand for Bitcoin.  They are taxi medallions for money, franchises, nothing more.  And the brokers who buy them to facilitate transactions are money transmitters.</p>
<p>Should the recipient of Bitcoin "deposit" them in their e-wallets, and the operator of the e-wallet is allowed to use those deposits on a fractional reserve basis to issue Bitcoin certificates, Bitcoin may become money, at which time all sorts of banking regulations would come into play.  But until then, Bitcoin are licenses to transmit money, and the agencies that trade in them are as pure an example of money transmitters as any regulator could hope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bitcoin Prosecutions Threaten Its Survival by alanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 12:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bit misleading.  No prosecutions have been announced yet.  Only funds in transit between Dawolla and Mt Gox.  Mt Gox claims they have not been contacted, and even if they had, of think a joint Japan and US action would have been carried out of Mt Gox was the target.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit misleading.  No prosecutions have been announced yet.  Only funds in transit between Dawolla and Mt Gox.  Mt Gox claims they have not been contacted, and even if they had, of think a joint Japan and US action would have been carried out of Mt Gox was the target.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynes and money during wartime by Lio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 09:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; Inflation is a fairly equitable form of taxation on wealth&quot;
Definitely not!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>" Inflation is a fairly equitable form of taxation on wealth"<br />
Definitely not!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynes and money during wartime by MichaelM</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/13/keynes-and-money-during-wartime/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Federal issues of paper money during the Civil War weren&#039;t a &#039;new&#039; power. I&#039;m sure you know this, but the American Revolution itself was significantly financed by paper money. The reason the Civil War issues are exceptional is because they broke a shibboleth against publicly issued paper money that had arisen surrounding the experience of the Revolution and the post-Revolutionary period. It&#039;s a rarely acknowledged fact but the US Constitution hadn&#039;t just strengthened the Federal government. It had also taken away a few powers that the old federal government had enjoyed that people had decided it couldn&#039;t be trusted with, including the issue of paper money(this wasn&#039;t a universal feeling, but widespread enough to be enshrined in the new Constitution).

I&#039;m not personally too much against public issues of paper money to finance extraordinary wartime expenditures. Inflation is a fairly equitable form of taxation on wealth. I&#039;ve read a few similar opinions from around the early post-Revolutionary period, shared by some of my home-town Philadelphians of the era.

Early financial and banking history in the US is positively fascinating. It is, I think, an area that the Modern Free Banking School could afford to concentrate more on. The way that banking was originally enclosed into an exclusive power of legislatively chartered corporations is something I know a little about but something I could always learn more of. Not being a scholar, my access to resources on the subject is, unfortunately, limited. Besides the personal interest I have, studying early, pre-&#039;free banking&#039; era banking in New England could be incredibly valuable because, in many ways, the situation there and then was more &#039;free banking&#039; than the subsequent period. New England legislatures were much more liberal with their granting of charters than other states, to the point where the situation almost approximated free entry, and the chartered banks of the period were FAR less regulated than those of the bond-substitution, unit banks of the &#039;free banking&#039; era.

New England was also, coincidentally, the most economically dynamic, developed region of the US in this period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal issues of paper money during the Civil War weren't a 'new' power. I'm sure you know this, but the American Revolution itself was significantly financed by paper money. The reason the Civil War issues are exceptional is because they broke a shibboleth against publicly issued paper money that had arisen surrounding the experience of the Revolution and the post-Revolutionary period. It's a rarely acknowledged fact but the US Constitution hadn't just strengthened the Federal government. It had also taken away a few powers that the old federal government had enjoyed that people had decided it couldn't be trusted with, including the issue of paper money(this wasn't a universal feeling, but widespread enough to be enshrined in the new Constitution).</p>
<p>I'm not personally too much against public issues of paper money to finance extraordinary wartime expenditures. Inflation is a fairly equitable form of taxation on wealth. I've read a few similar opinions from around the early post-Revolutionary period, shared by some of my home-town Philadelphians of the era.</p>
<p>Early financial and banking history in the US is positively fascinating. It is, I think, an area that the Modern Free Banking School could afford to concentrate more on. The way that banking was originally enclosed into an exclusive power of legislatively chartered corporations is something I know a little about but something I could always learn more of. Not being a scholar, my access to resources on the subject is, unfortunately, limited. Besides the personal interest I have, studying early, pre-'free banking' era banking in New England could be incredibly valuable because, in many ways, the situation there and then was more 'free banking' than the subsequent period. New England legislatures were much more liberal with their granting of charters than other states, to the point where the situation almost approximated free entry, and the chartered banks of the period were FAR less regulated than those of the bond-substitution, unit banks of the 'free banking' era.</p>
<p>New England was also, coincidentally, the most economically dynamic, developed region of the US in this period.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Keynes and money during wartime by McKinney</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/13/keynes-and-money-during-wartime/#comment-3102</link>
		<dc:creator>McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;, the only book on monetary theory I know of in English that has high merit both as economics and literature.&quot;

You should read Washington Irving&#039;s essay &quot;The Mississippi Bubble&quot; about John Law and France in the 1720&#039;s. Written in 1820, Irving offers brilliant monetary theory in beautifully written prose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>", the only book on monetary theory I know of in English that has high merit both as economics and literature."</p>
<p>You should read Washington Irving's essay "The Mississippi Bubble" about John Law and France in the 1720's. Written in 1820, Irving offers brilliant monetary theory in beautifully written prose.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Keynes kerfuffle (off topic) by John S</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2013/05/09/the-keynes-kerfuffle-off-topic/#comment-3101</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 04:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Margit von Mises rose and spluttered, &quot;How can you compare my husband to Keynes? Keynes was a homosexual, and let me tell you, Ludwig von Mises was no homosexual!&quot;

From now on, his name is Ludwig Bone Mrs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margit von Mises rose and spluttered, "How can you compare my husband to Keynes? Keynes was a homosexual, and let me tell you, Ludwig von Mises was no homosexual!"</p>
<p>From now on, his name is Ludwig Bone Mrs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Keynes kerfuffle (off topic) by John S</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 04:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly, we could axe a big chunk of humanities funding as well--and I say this as a history major. Most of what is taught is useless, and at least some parts are completely false, as this site has shown repeatedly with regard to American financial history and the history of the gold standard.

I know nothing of anthropology, but if Graeber really is a leading figure, then I&#039;m skeptical of that field, too. Debt was both tedious and sloppy; I lost count of the references to personal and second-hand anecdotes. The politicized battle over Chagnon&#039;s work does not inspire confidence, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, we could axe a big chunk of humanities funding as well--and I say this as a history major. Most of what is taught is useless, and at least some parts are completely false, as this site has shown repeatedly with regard to American financial history and the history of the gold standard.</p>
<p>I know nothing of anthropology, but if Graeber really is a leading figure, then I'm skeptical of that field, too. Debt was both tedious and sloppy; I lost count of the references to personal and second-hand anecdotes. The politicized battle over Chagnon's work does not inspire confidence, either.</p>
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