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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise Krugman - who is indeed a shameless liar (and I use the word &quot;liar&quot; deliberatly - he often says things he must KNOW are false, such as talking about government spending cuts in nations where there has been no such thing).

However, this article is very odd.

First of all the comment about &quot;suspension of cash payments&quot; - unless that is agreed by contract (always read the small print) then &quot;suspension of cash payments&quot; is CONTRACT BREAKING, and should not be allowed. Not for 30 days - not for one day.

Still it is the article itself that bothers me.

There were many regulations that were wrong (such as the National Banking Acts which concentrated banking in New York City), but what is this talk of banks being compelled to have government bonds to &quot;back their currency&quot;.

I AGREE that banks should not have been compelled to have government bonds - but what is this &quot;their own currency&quot; stuff?

Banks claimed to be lending out DOLLARS (from real savings) NOT &quot;their own currency&quot;.

If the banks had said they were lending out (for example) &quot;Pongos&quot; freshly printed in their back office - then I would have no problem.

People could choose whether to accept &quot;the Pongo&quot; as money (i.e. as a medium of exchange and store of value - to use to buy goods and services and to make savings in) or not.

Someone could say &quot;no I do not want to be paid in bank Pongos I want to be paid in Dollars&quot; - or say that there were happy to be paid in Pongos (printed at some bank).

But, I repeat, the banks claimed to be lending out DOLLARS.

The banks either had these Dollars they clamied they had - or they were committing FRAUD.

At least &quot;fraud&quot; as an ordinary person would understand the word (i.e. people pretending to have, indeed to lend out, stuff they did NOT have).

The problem with government regulations was not that they &quot;restricted&quot; this - it was that they ENCOURAGED it (as long as banks played the &quot;government bonds&quot; game).

Either a money lender is honest (i.e. lending their own or their clients REAL SAVINGS) or they are crooks - lending out &quot;money&quot; they DO NOT REALLY HAVE (i.e. DOES NOT REALLY EXIST).

Basic economics - if there is credit-money expansion (i.e. the lending out of money that DOES NOT REALLY EXIST) there there will be a phony &quot;boom&quot; and then a BUST.

I am astonished at the lack of understanding there is of this basic point.

&quot;But Paul libertarians believe in private currencies&quot;.

This was NOT a matter of private currencies.

The banks (I repeat) did not claim to be lending out &quot;Pongos&quot; (or whatever) they claimed to be lending out DOLLARS (not a private currency).

Of course there was a bust every few years - because if you have credit money expansion (a &quot;boom&quot;) there must be a bust.

Borrowing (either from investment or for consumption) either comes from REAL SAVINGS or it comes from credit money expansion - and if it comes from credit money expansion you will have a &quot;boom&quot; and then a BUST.

This is a really basic point - but it keeps being overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise Krugman - who is indeed a shameless liar (and I use the word "liar" deliberatly - he often says things he must KNOW are false, such as talking about government spending cuts in nations where there has been no such thing).</p>
<p>However, this article is very odd.</p>
<p>First of all the comment about "suspension of cash payments" - unless that is agreed by contract (always read the small print) then "suspension of cash payments" is CONTRACT BREAKING, and should not be allowed. Not for 30 days - not for one day.</p>
<p>Still it is the article itself that bothers me.</p>
<p>There were many regulations that were wrong (such as the National Banking Acts which concentrated banking in New York City), but what is this talk of banks being compelled to have government bonds to "back their currency".</p>
<p>I AGREE that banks should not have been compelled to have government bonds - but what is this "their own currency" stuff?</p>
<p>Banks claimed to be lending out DOLLARS (from real savings) NOT "their own currency".</p>
<p>If the banks had said they were lending out (for example) "Pongos" freshly printed in their back office - then I would have no problem.</p>
<p>People could choose whether to accept "the Pongo" as money (i.e. as a medium of exchange and store of value - to use to buy goods and services and to make savings in) or not.</p>
<p>Someone could say "no I do not want to be paid in bank Pongos I want to be paid in Dollars" - or say that there were happy to be paid in Pongos (printed at some bank).</p>
<p>But, I repeat, the banks claimed to be lending out DOLLARS.</p>
<p>The banks either had these Dollars they clamied they had - or they were committing FRAUD.</p>
<p>At least "fraud" as an ordinary person would understand the word (i.e. people pretending to have, indeed to lend out, stuff they did NOT have).</p>
<p>The problem with government regulations was not that they "restricted" this - it was that they ENCOURAGED it (as long as banks played the "government bonds" game).</p>
<p>Either a money lender is honest (i.e. lending their own or their clients REAL SAVINGS) or they are crooks - lending out "money" they DO NOT REALLY HAVE (i.e. DOES NOT REALLY EXIST).</p>
<p>Basic economics - if there is credit-money expansion (i.e. the lending out of money that DOES NOT REALLY EXIST) there there will be a phony "boom" and then a BUST.</p>
<p>I am astonished at the lack of understanding there is of this basic point.</p>
<p>"But Paul libertarians believe in private currencies".</p>
<p>This was NOT a matter of private currencies.</p>
<p>The banks (I repeat) did not claim to be lending out "Pongos" (or whatever) they claimed to be lending out DOLLARS (not a private currency).</p>
<p>Of course there was a bust every few years - because if you have credit money expansion (a "boom") there must be a bust.</p>
<p>Borrowing (either from investment or for consumption) either comes from REAL SAVINGS or it comes from credit money expansion - and if it comes from credit money expansion you will have a "boom" and then a BUST.</p>
<p>This is a really basic point - but it keeps being overlooked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by Mike Sproul</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Sproul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 16:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to interstate banking restrictions and bond backing requirements, I would add that government restrictions on the ability of banks to suspend convertibility for 30-60 days was directly responsible for bank runs. As long as private banks followed the conventional practice of only issuing money (paper or checks) in exchange for securities that matured in 60 days or less, this practice would protect them against the maturity mis-matching that sometimes led to bank runs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to interstate banking restrictions and bond backing requirements, I would add that government restrictions on the ability of banks to suspend convertibility for 30-60 days was directly responsible for bank runs. As long as private banks followed the conventional practice of only issuing money (paper or checks) in exchange for securities that matured in 60 days or less, this practice would protect them against the maturity mis-matching that sometimes led to bank runs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by Bill Stepp</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1614</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Stepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked that Krugman misreads US banking history. Shocked I tell you.
Another nail in the coffin of the fable that Gilded Age America was a land of laissez-faire was driven by historian Richard White in his book Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America (Norton 2011). He discusses bank involvment in railroad finance, and the subsidies that helped build the railroads.

At the beginning of a section on the Interstate Commerce Commission, he writes:

In the late 1880s the battle between antimonopolists, who sought to control and regulate the railroads, and railroad managers, who sought to lessen killing competition, resulted in a fragile truce whose fruit was the Interstate Commerce Commission (p. 355).

As John Steele Gordon says, &quot;This is an exciting story and well told.&quot; Highly rec&#039;d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm shocked that Krugman misreads US banking history. Shocked I tell you.<br />
Another nail in the coffin of the fable that Gilded Age America was a land of laissez-faire was driven by historian Richard White in his book Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America (Norton 2011). He discusses bank involvment in railroad finance, and the subsidies that helped build the railroads.</p>
<p>At the beginning of a section on the Interstate Commerce Commission, he writes:</p>
<p>In the late 1880s the battle between antimonopolists, who sought to control and regulate the railroads, and railroad managers, who sought to lessen killing competition, resulted in a fragile truce whose fruit was the Interstate Commerce Commission (p. 355).</p>
<p>As John Steele Gordon says, "This is an exciting story and well told." Highly rec'd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by W.E. Heasley</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1613</link>
		<dc:creator>W.E. Heasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 06:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In fact, however, Gilded Age America — a land with minimal government and no Fed — was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses. So what can be done? In the 1930s, after the mother of all banking panics, we arrived at a workable solution, involving both guarantees and oversight.” - Paul Krugman

Upon further review, the statement “In the 1930s, after the mother of all banking panics…” yields the following:
 
(1) Krugman labels a particular episode as the biggest and worst,

(2)  Krugman, in his zeal to make a notional point by rewriting history, inadvertently  points out government failure of the biggest and worst,

(3) Krugman, by selectively reconstructing history to fit his notional argument, exposes massive government regulatory failure [Friedman and Schwartz, The Great Contraction 1929-1933]. 

Krugman merely advocates government failure to fix government failure . -Or- “Government is the only enterprise on earth that when it fails, it merely does the same thing over again, just bigger” - Don Luskin, TrendMacro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In fact, however, Gilded Age America — a land with minimal government and no Fed — was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses. So what can be done? In the 1930s, after the mother of all banking panics, we arrived at a workable solution, involving both guarantees and oversight.” - Paul Krugman</p>
<p>Upon further review, the statement “In the 1930s, after the mother of all banking panics…” yields the following:</p>
<p>(1) Krugman labels a particular episode as the biggest and worst,</p>
<p>(2)  Krugman, in his zeal to make a notional point by rewriting history, inadvertently  points out government failure of the biggest and worst,</p>
<p>(3) Krugman, by selectively reconstructing history to fit his notional argument, exposes massive government regulatory failure [Friedman and Schwartz, The Great Contraction 1929-1933]. </p>
<p>Krugman merely advocates government failure to fix government failure . -Or- “Government is the only enterprise on earth that when it fails, it merely does the same thing over again, just bigger” - Don Luskin, TrendMacro</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 03:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were the reasons for the prohibitions on interstate banking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were the reasons for the prohibitions on interstate banking?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman&#039;s Misreading of US Banking History by MichaelM</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/14/krugmans-misreading-of-us-banking-history/#comment-1611</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I think is sad?

Krugman will &lt;I&gt;never&lt;/I&gt; read this blog post.

He&#039;ll &lt;I&gt;never&lt;/I&gt; have his hilariously incorrect understanding of the history of banking this country corrected.

Comments are closed on his blog post (which is mildly frustrating considering it was posted &lt;I&gt;yesterday&lt;/I&gt;), so there&#039;s not even the opportunity to correct his false narrative for his readers.

It&#039;s a shame that somebody who so confidently and, from the point of the amateurs who read him, expertly spreads falsehoods has such a privileged position in the media establishment. There are a great many people who get ALL their economic analysis from Krugman and ONLY Krugman and just never bother to question or read into things on their own.

This is such basic stuff. A casual reading of banking history in the United States would show you that government has been involved in banking here &lt;I&gt;since there was a United States&lt;/I&gt;. There never was a time that government was &lt;I&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; involved in banking. And yet Krugman tells himself (I supposed) and everybody who takes his word as holy writ that the 19th century was free market banking and it failed so now we need regulation, and that&#039;s it. Nobody tries, nobody bothers, and the body politic is made worse off for the failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I think is sad?</p>
<p>Krugman will <i>never</i> read this blog post.</p>
<p>He'll <i>never</i> have his hilariously incorrect understanding of the history of banking this country corrected.</p>
<p>Comments are closed on his blog post (which is mildly frustrating considering it was posted <i>yesterday</i>), so there's not even the opportunity to correct his false narrative for his readers.</p>
<p>It's a shame that somebody who so confidently and, from the point of the amateurs who read him, expertly spreads falsehoods has such a privileged position in the media establishment. There are a great many people who get ALL their economic analysis from Krugman and ONLY Krugman and just never bother to question or read into things on their own.</p>
<p>This is such basic stuff. A casual reading of banking history in the United States would show you that government has been involved in banking here <i>since there was a United States</i>. There never was a time that government was <i>not</i> involved in banking. And yet Krugman tells himself (I supposed) and everybody who takes his word as holy writ that the 19th century was free market banking and it failed so now we need regulation, and that's it. Nobody tries, nobody bothers, and the body politic is made worse off for the failure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Penny (Again): Don&#039;t Subsidize, Privatize! by kafka</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/05/08/the-penny-again-dont-subsidize-privatize/#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>kafka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 20:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Selgin, Paul Krugman has just launched an attack against your work in the New york times column.
&quot;Why we regulate&quot; 

I quote him

 &quot; Why, exactly, are banks special? Because history tells us that banking is and always has been subject to occasional destructive “panics,” which can wreak havoc with the economy as a whole. Current right-wing mythology has it that bad banking is always the result of government intervention, whether from the Federal Reserve or meddling liberals in Congress. In fact, however, Gilded Age America — a land with minimal government and no Fed — was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses.&quot;

You must do something !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Selgin, Paul Krugman has just launched an attack against your work in the New york times column.<br />
"Why we regulate" </p>
<p>I quote him</p>
<p> " Why, exactly, are banks special? Because history tells us that banking is and always has been subject to occasional destructive “panics,” which can wreak havoc with the economy as a whole. Current right-wing mythology has it that bad banking is always the result of government intervention, whether from the Federal Reserve or meddling liberals in Congress. In fact, however, Gilded Age America — a land with minimal government and no Fed — was subject to panics roughly once every six years. And some of these panics inflicted major economic losses."</p>
<p>You must do something !!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Bernanke by George Selgin</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/03/21/anti-bernanke/#comment-1609</link>
		<dc:creator>George Selgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 20:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a rumor in IWF also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a rumor in IWF also.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Bernanke by gonzalo moya</title>
		<link>http://www.freebanking.org/2012/03/21/anti-bernanke/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>gonzalo moya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said there wasn&#039;t a bank run in &quot;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life&quot;, I am just saying (correctly) that it is in &quot;American Madness&quot; where the bank run is started by a rumor: the bank gets stolen a small amount in an inside job but the people in town start especulating about this amount, increasing it every time they speak about it. I know this is all off point, but it is really good movie that I strongly encourage any banking economist to watch. http://www.amazon.com/Premiere-Collection-Washington-Happened-American/dp/B000ION7A8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1336678763&amp;sr=8-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said there wasn't a bank run in "It's a Wonderful Life", I am just saying (correctly) that it is in "American Madness" where the bank run is started by a rumor: the bank gets stolen a small amount in an inside job but the people in town start especulating about this amount, increasing it every time they speak about it. I know this is all off point, but it is really good movie that I strongly encourage any banking economist to watch. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Premiere-Collection-Washington-Happened-American/dp/B000ION7A8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1336678763&#038;sr=8-1&tag=freebank07-20" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Premiere-Collection-Washington-Happened-American/dp/B000ION7A8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1336678763&#038;sr=8-1&tag=freebank07-20</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Penny (Again): Don&#039;t Subsidize, Privatize! by Paul Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 12:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies George - I did not spot the byline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies George - I did not spot the byline.</p>
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